Friendly Flak Fire, Giv penalty for aircraft team kill Options

[Z171978]

Am play yet CV and its horrible with looses trough flak noobs they shoot 1/3 or 1/2 me planes down trough he see one or two enemy aircraft engaged me 9 and these noobs(with crew over 100lvl O_o) shoot down half me fighter during fight and missed enemy.And then crying when i am tired to make FC and play with bomber.Mayby fix this hard penalty for shooting friendly planes down,me cost this looses credits and vets

[yanotoshi]

Simple solution, what experienced CV-drivers do: if they light enemy and friendly BBs don't proceed, they stop light. Maybe they will switch to bombing.

If friendly AA kills you planes, switch position and evade your AA-ships. If they continue shooting, maybe you have some bombers left for AA-Ship.

[zakdorn]

Well, one could argue that enemy planes circling over friendly battleships pose a serious threat, because they are lighting up the ships for the enemy.
Anyway, when this is happening to me, I usually pull my planes over to the enemy. Either the enemy planes will follow me or the AA ships on my side can try to handle them.

[SeaWarLord]

Try tou use different height in the planes.... most AA ships fire at golden angle... and if the AA ship is taking care of the planes go give light...

[elendil]

Very simple solution: stop betraying your team by playing on the worst way with fighters: pull your fighters to the ennemies!

(most of the time I head things about AA-TK in battle, my team is blind, so...)

[SeaWarLord]

Yah...
I don't need the enemy blind to attack them... i just need to see them... and sometimes i can't take my scout out and you can't fight the enemy fighters, so the best thing is to avoid the fighters and give light...

[BrainStormXX]

Just klick your Planes to the Enemy´s. Dogfights over your own ships is not the best possition... the most CV Player take Care of the Fighters when they are in the Flakfire.
Soo... just make Light for your team, block enemy Scouts and only when you´ve got Time, play with your opponents Aircrafts.

[Maj.Fallback]

Just klick your Planes to the Enemy´s. Dogfights over your own ships is not the best possition... the most CV Player take Care of the Fighters when they are in the Flakfire.
Soo... just make Light for your team, block enemy Scouts and only when you´ve got Time, play with your opponents Aircrafts.

Jepp, just let the enemy fighters circle over your BBs and watch them get shot and bombed, while you circle your fighters over the enemy BBs and wait for your BBs to attack, until you realize they are just too scared by alle the shooting around them or too shot up to move further. Well, you wasted your fighters and your time the battle is lost, but hey, they cant cry for light, they had a good view at the enemy which shot them up. Finally your fighters return, but on the way back they cross a lonly scout over the remaining AA whore. Before you notice your 9 fighters climbed up on height of the scout, up to the golden height. The last paniced AA whore of the BB group of course needs this 11bonus credits and blasting away at the scout, misses but hits your 2 squads behind the in flames dropping scout. Due to the fact that your fighters circled over the enemy AA they are already shot up and so you loose a whole squad and sure as hell a few vets and experts to the greed of this blind AA vessel, which is just hit and sunk by a BB salvo in this moment and didn´t even get its 11bonus credits for the scout.

As long as there is no credits penalty for shooting friendly aircraft you can only stay away from all friendly AA vessels. If you have the choice, you can go where no friendly AA vessel is around. If not, well, you can load your bombers and have some fun, or you can try to deal with the situation, but this also means sending your fighters a long way around, of course not on the standard altitude, let the enemy bombers pass and intercept them on their way back after they dropped their load and are heading away from your own AA. Maybe you find some ignorant enemy BBs which launch their scouts while your fighters are above them, but most of the time, you will be busy with shifting the altitude of your fighters and click-spamming them away from your own BBs and wait for your Team BBs to rush or attack the enemy, as long as your fighters provide some sight, which is limited in time, due to the long way they had to fly around the to get to their target.

Well, there are somme good AA players who seize their fire, when they see that your fighters can easily and quickly deal with the situation, but most of them just shoot at everything that flies around and they dont mind shooting down 10 of your T3 fighters passing by for the merit of seeing one lost scout dropping in flames.

I would suggest a negative credit penalty, equal to amounts the credits you get for shooting down the planes if they were hostile.

[0rbit]

I have some AA experience and have shot down friendly planes by mistake. I cease fire as soon as I notice friendlies, so it does not happen very often. I remember once setting the golden angle and firing my AA guns at the start of the battle; The first and only shot hit and killed a scout of my own team. Oops... these things can happen, but luckily they don't happen very often.

Difficulties arise when for instance there are 9 enemy bombers flying towards the BB you are trying to cover for. A friendly CV has three fighters near but these don't seem to be able to deal with the bombers. At some point I may commence firing but try to hit the enemy planes only of course.

Large fighter battles also pose a problem. As soon as the friendlies seem to be losing and there may be a lot more enemy fighters than friendlies; I will open fire. Killing a friendly fighter while killing 5 enemy fighters is better than not killing any enemy fighters if you ask me.

That's just how it works. I would not mind introducing a penalty on hitting a friendly plane; but to make it fair the reward for AA-work should be a tad bit higher.

[mognes]

This has been discussed a few times before:

1st thread

2nd thread

[Raguar]

As u can see on the other threads there are a Lot of funny Suggestions. I Deny an AA Penalty for friendly kills because there aren´t only Stupid AA Ship´s or AA Assisting BB´s. there are also Stupid CV Drivers. I often Shoot down friendly Aircrafts. Why Its because i do AA in my BB and if i try to aim for an Scout or an Incomming Bomber Squad and during I´m shooting them down own Aircrafts comming into my AA Range then sry for that. A Very Good CV Driver said somedays ago to me. "Where AA there aren´t ur Fighters" Its an very simple Sentence. And he is right. If there are 2 or 3 AA Ships and shooting on all things with Wings. Why should u send ur Fighters there. Other way Arround if u see an Helpless SY surrounded by 2 or 3 Fightersquads. This guy in ur Team really needs FC.

[Tarskin]

As u can see on the other threads there are a Lot of funny Suggestions. I Deny an AA Penalty for friendly kills because there aren´t only Stupid AA Ship´s or AA Assisting BB´s. there are also Stupid CV Drivers. I often Shoot down friendly Aircrafts. Why Its because i do AA in my BB and if i try to aim for an Scout or an Incomming Bomber Squad and during I´m shooting them down own Aircrafts comming into my AA Range then sry for that. A Very Good CV Driver said somedays ago to me. "Where AA there aren´t ur Fighters" Its an very simple Sentence. And he is right. If there are 2 or 3 AA Ships and shooting on all things with Wings. Why should u send ur Fighters there. Other way Arround if u see an Helpless SY surrounded by 2 or 3 Fightersquads. This guy in ur Team really needs FC.

Rec

So many low level cv's winge and cry when they send up like 3 or 4 locals to a wing of 5+ t3 fighters which i am shooting at... i am sorry but i'm not gonna stop for your damn locals -.- They would die anyway to the proper fighters

[ncc1701]

Just reposition your planes away from allied flak ships if you don't want casualties due to friendly AA.

Most AA ships stop firing when they see friendly aircraft overhead. The really good ones manage to pick off enemy planes without shooting down yours.

[indycar]

i dont mind some help if i cant clear skies fast enuff or not at all
but if im owning the skies my bombers visit the bad AA ship

[aigars]

well i'm thinking of Tking the aa ship whit TBs if it gets on my nerves like shoting down most or all of my squad of FC and BB playes ask "WERE IS DAM FC!!!! or FC TO NORTH OR SCOOUTH NOOB CVs" imakes me wonder why i play as cv at all since i lose vets geting shouted on ect its just pain in a.. .
My personal experiance.

[Raguar]

well i'm thinking of Tking the aa ship whit TBs if it gets on my nerves like shoting down most or all of my squad of FC and BB playes ask "WERE IS DAM FC!!!! or FC TO NORTH OR SCOOUTH NOOB CVs" imakes me wonder why i play as cv at all since i lose vets geting shouted on ect its just pain in a.. .
My personal experiance.

I´m looking Foreward to meet u in my Team next Battle. Hope to A something and u fly through my SY AA and loose ur Planes. And then I´m waiting for ur TK Torpedobombers. Than u sink ur own Flagship but hey i was going on ur Nerfs *just imagine Lol*

Today there was a very nice Battle. I was shooting the Hell out of the Enemy CV and in the Moment where the FC came (Btw i was asking since 5 minutes) no enemy Planes was Left. And as the next enemy Planes came in to engage me no FC was above me. So what did u Expect. I was shooting at the Enemy Planes and HEY my CV see´s that there were Enemy Planes and was returning his FC Right Straight into my AA. Sry but my Gun´s shoot sometimes 3 to 5 more salvos evan if i don´t push Space Bar anymore. And now this guy Cried for loosing 9 Planes but i was really Sorry.


That´s why i say give FC for Ship´s who needs it but when there is AA than don´t send Fighters in.

[porpoise]

When I play an AAA ship and my CV is unable to shoot down a common scout over my BB which neeeds dark, than I feel free to shoot him down whatever it takes.

[LordL]

And, there is still the situation when u, as an AA support, concentrate on a scout or a bomber wave and, all of a sudden, some friendly fighters appear right out of a cloud in your guns fire. What shoukd u do then? Stop fireing after half of the fighters are allready down?

I see the point when the fighters are allready engaged, then u hould not fire your AA, but there are cases (plenty) when your fc arrives late and the bb u are covering is crippled because u saw the fighters coming and did not fired for 3 / 4 seconds, enough time for the bb to take one or two salvos from the enemy.

IMHO is part of the game, some will watch for friendly's and some will not. Hey, it is just a game, in rl is no diffrence....

[kboehme]

"Yah...
I don't need the enemy blind to attack them... i just need to see them... and sometimes i can't take my scout out and you can't fight the enemy fighters, so the best thing is to avoid the fighters and give light... "

How it´s meant to play. It´s nice to know what U need, but thats not the way I want to play CV. I don´t exactly try to avoid enemy planes, except when I don´t have any changes against them;my aim while playing CV is to intercept enemy planes, maybe torp a Sub or bomb a BB, which ouers cant handle. I try to place my fighter between the BB lines, I somtimes even escort frindly bomber to their targets. I´m no candlelight (thats why BB´s can carry scouts, just use them), I don´t have any job to do, and I will surely not react to nice posts like.
"Need FC NOW!!" or "CV do ur job and give light!!"
Nobody is complaining about a BB 5 which is dying in the first seconds of the fight because he rushes into the dark while he even cant manage to start his scout soon enough. Or the BBs which send their scouts into death, because AAW imune fighters are waiting for them.

"I don't need the enemy blind to attack them... i just need to see them... "

This can only be written by an BB5 player. In any lower shiptier u mostly cant do something when the enemy sees u. Imagine a fully lightend BB2 attacking a L2. Lol, would be a short attack. BB5s are more or less the end of the road, but sure not the only part of the game.

I play all, BB, CV, SS, AAW, ASW, but CV-playing is the most annoying part, because u get allways flamed for everything.

[Raguar]

"Yah...
I don't need the enemy blind to attack them... i just need to see them... and sometimes i can't take my scout out and you can't fight the enemy fighters, so the best thing is to avoid the fighters and give light... "

How it´s meant to play. It´s nice to know what U need, but thats not the way I want to play CV. I don´t exactly try to avoid enemy planes, except when I don´t have any changes against them;my aim while playing CV is to intercept enemy planes, maybe torp a Sub or bomb a BB, which ouers cant handle. I try to place my fighter between the BB lines, I somtimes even escort frindly bomber to their targets. I´m no candlelight (thats why BB´s can carry scouts, just use them), I don´t have any job to do, and I will surely not react to nice posts like.
"Need FC NOW!!" or "CV do ur job and give light!!"
Nobody is complaining about a BB 5 which is dying in the first seconds of the fight because he rushes into the dark while he even cant manage to start his scout soon enough. Or the BBs which send their scouts into death, because AAW imune fighters are waiting for them.

"I don't need the enemy blind to attack them... i just need to see them... "

This can only be written by an BB5 player. In any lower shiptier u mostly cant do something when the enemy sees u. Imagine a fully lightend BB2 attacking a L2. Lol, would be a short attack. BB5s are more or less the end of the road, but sure not the only part of the game.

I play all, BB, CV, SS, AAW, ASW, but CV-playing is the most annoying part, because u get allways flamed for everything.

I Hope ur not wondering for Flaming against u?

Look to ur Post. U don´t react for "FC please" ?? or "Give Light Please?"

Why not?

I Mean yes ur right an BB has to manage his Scout and Also have to move and not driving Straight Line. But in so Many Battles there are 2 or 3 Fighter Squads (Of course Enemy´s) around my SY that i CAN`T Lounch my Scout. And If i Ask then "How about a small Fightercover above me?" or something like "any AA ship´s near me?" and get some really funny CV Anwsere´s like "FC is a pure Myth" or "Ur a SY AA ur own Way". Than why are u CV Players wondering for ur "Team" Members if they don´t cover U. Or if they don´t save u? U guys do nothing for them so why should they do anything for u? An BB5 can only make dmg if its able to See the Enemy´s Moving. Of course he has to Scout for hisself but Ur Fighters clearly can Assist this Part.
If an CV Player gives me FC or Light of course I will save him as Long as Possible. I´m NOrth CV Middle south is Broken and Enemy Rushed. So i stop my Attack return and try all to Save my CV´s. If the guy didn´t do anything to Help me in any Case what is possible to Happen. Why should I Ever try to save him?

I´m not the guy who start´s to Flaming for Noob CV or Noob Team. Its not my way of Playing. But and that´s for sure, If the CV does a Great Job (That´s mean all FC and of course also Bombing and Torping) I say thx, Thx for the Team and thx for great Air Support.

That means I have nothing against an Own CV start´s to Bimbing enemy CV´s or Torping an Kita that´s out of my Range. Why not its Teamplay so all should try to sink the Enemy Team. But i don´t need an Bombersquad around the Enemy BB5 I´m shooting at atm. I can shoot way more Salvos than u can Bomb (Included ur and mine Reloade Time for Shells/Bombs) But an Ship out of my Range. Ur Pleased to do that but don´t forget the Fighterpart please.


Sincerly Yours

Rag