TheNelson, The odd one out, fairs fair Options

[north]

was wondering what other peoples ideas on the fact that as far as i can tell the RN BB3 Nelson is the only BB with out a scout

i understand that the Nelson used to be a really nasty ship so it got the range reduced and scout removed (back in the day)

it seems to me like the UK speed limits which havent changed since the austin seven which max speed was 70 and now there are far better and longer range ships

So Put the Scout back!!!

or change the sprite so there isnt a aircraft catapult on the back and give us more range

please tell us the reason isnt that "its a over sight" or that with the Nelson it would make them to hard/tough

so fairs fair

P.S.

i know the Rodney has a scout if the holders of London invest enough but it also has a few other differences

[Thanok]

The Nelson has a very high firepower, combined with a great Rushing ability. If it would be able to operate alone (with a scout) it would be at least a BB4, because it is able to kill every BB4+ in a 1on1 Battle. Beeing blind is its only weakness and it should be its weakness longer. But if there is a catapult on it (didnt looked at it so closely yet), remove it please, so that it looks more fitting.

[north]

lol so the POW which is known as a rushing ship and has a scout and a bit more range (not much more) and the KGV which (also has a scout) can have a better grouping/block shot at level, but because they have a 3rd gun on the back of the ship not on the frount its ok that the nelson doesnt have a scout.

am i understanding that correctly?

[HiljaneMies]

Agree fully with north. PoW is every bit as overpowered against muppets as nelson is. And that's exactly it, both ships are only good against muppets; Unless they surprise someone, which is kind of a mute point since most BB's are good when they surprise another ship.

[Lexica]

Nerf UK! In what slightest bit does Nelson's power fall short of any other BB3?

[lol...]

[north]

in the bit which this discusion is about giving the nelson a scout back,

seeing as in most GBs unless the nelson hides at the back it is found in the frount because of its short range and seeing as most people dont play a GB as a team is 80% of the time blind so if the nelson had a scout maybe it wouldnt be blind so much and then would be able to see what it is tring to shoot at instead of being shot my anything that fancies to shoot at it from the dark, now back to the matter in hand if it had a scout (which i am lead to believe it did at 1 time) it would level the playing field again,

and if the idea is that the that would make it unfair on other BB3 drivers bare in mind most of them are either faster or have longer range

[zakdorn]

Well, before the patch last summer I could see the point of giving the Nelson this drawback, since it was relatively powerful for it's level (then 70). However since its level was raised to 79 I believe we can now give the Nelson its scout back without overpowering it.

[HiljaneMies]

There's also the thing that why on earth should I scout for some megadamage muppet nelly that can never contribute in the same fashion. It doesn't need to have many scouts, 2 would be good enough(?) but it certainly should have them. BB without scout = muppetry.

[north]

how abouts 1 mosquito or 2 skua for scouts that seems fair to menot 2 many and will catch the muppets out by only having 1 of the higher plane

[north]

well seeing as i have lack of replies it seems that its just about split the fleets and every1 knows that i am right

GIVE THE NELSON A SCOUT BACK

[HGAZIS]

y even historic nelson had one scout ;9
rodney had 2nd catapult on bravo turm and two scouts

company for scouting nelson

[north]

thank you for that Hgazis wasnt sure if historically the nelson or the rodney had scouts that just proves it

[nemarsde]

Don't have an opinion on this as such, 'cept to say that if you're entirely blind in a Great Battle -- and it's not the end game -- then even having a scout probably wouldn't change that fact. This situation is colloquially known as "you're screwed".

[north]

aye that it true

but with a scout on board at least you can make a valid attempt to get some sight and maybe help your team out a little

i've been in many battles where my team have been so covered in enemy fighters that no one has got a scout away i'm sure that we all have

but i've been in more where a scout would of turned the tide in my teams favour e.g. where ive chased off after something ended up at a distance from whats left and the havent been and scouts left on the leading ships tring to find a FF or SS or last CVs . any way you get the idea

[nemarsde]

Indeed. A scout is better than no scout, true enough.

[north]

so is that a REC.

[nemarsde]

Would be if we were comparing Nelson and Prince of Wales alone, but alas the Hood must also be considered. There's precious little to recommend the Hood over the Nelson as it is, and in fact the scouts are about it.

Broadside-avoidance means the Hood mostly hits with its fore-guns. Assuming those are 16" Mark I guns, the same as on a Nelson, that already gives the Hood less accessible firepower, lower speed (iirc), less armour, and far larger hitbox than Nelson. Those few scouts (Hood now carries 4x, decreased from 8x scouts pre-patch) are almost the sole reason to choose Hood over Nelson.

[north]

i have been told that the Hood is not a bad ship in the right (high LVL) hands and is good practice for the lion1 and vangarde which the nelson is neither

that is why i surgest 1 mosquito or 2 skua for scouts

but it does need a scout and has been nefted anough threw the past

and to re-issue a point earlier made "the nelson is a great ship against muppets" and because of the range issue/speed/difficulty full armouring, not having a scout kinda takes the piss a little

you mention that the POW has scouts and because of positioning of guns a disavantage, i see that it has some major advantages to same as:-

KM
OPRO2 speed/range/scout
Bismark speed/range/scout

US
SODAK speed/scout

IJN
Nagato Damage/speed/range/scout

RN
Hood scout/space/historic value(last 1 is the only reasoni can think of
POW armour/speed/scout


if i have mentioned or not metioned soemthing that is missing or wronge point it out

[elendil]

Nelson: multiple setup:

-> 2 or 3 Quads N (blockshot)
-> 3 quads L
-> 3 tripple 16"
-> 3 dual 15"

All than in SW/AW forme, with great speed (24/40 with 3 front quads N, please tell me it's no adventage)


In right hands, with right playstyle and teamplay, Nelson is a realy powerfull BB3. Ever tried playing it with speed tripple 16" setup in BB1-4? it does better dmg than most other BB3.


This scout disadventage is actualy not that worst. Either your team is good enough to scout, or even with scout, you'll barely see anything.

ps: to talk about history, what do we start with first? Kaiser or Queen Victoria? maybe Hindenburg or Amagi if you prefer?

[pflok]

i don't get the point. nelly is fine as it is now (but i miss the RP12s L).

i love the nelly since i got it at level, just learn to handle it nad shoot at enemy gunfire. playing without light is essential in GB these days